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NRA breaks silence on Connecticut shooting

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Greetings;

 

Sorry if I will hit a nerve but the NRA just pissed me off royally. I mean REALLY ticked me OFF!!!! The NRA finally broke their silence on the terrible event that took place in Newtown. They had the nerve to blame video game for the tragedy... Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

"...vicious violent video games, with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat, and Splatterhouse."

 

Are the NRA such a bunch of idiots that they cannot read the numerous studies that clearly show that there is NO LINK between games and tragedies like the one that hit Connecticut. I played mortal kombat when it was the new thing in arcades back in 1992, I was 16. I played every Grand Theft Auto games and numerous other violent games. Games have NOTHING to do with it.

 

And the NRA really plays us for fools, because the NRA does partner with video game company to release games! In 2006 NRA Gun Club was release for PS2, 2005 same with Trigger Man and 2004 Bad Boys: Miami Takedown.

 

"We have bloodsoaked films out there like American Psycho, Natural Born Killers, they're aired on propaganda loops called Splatterdays, and every single day."

 

Those movies where release more then 10 years ago, get over it. There are is more violence on TV, MOVIES or the Internet. Get you heads out of the sand, the problems is not the media, games, movies or music.

 

Such weapons like Bushmaster M4 are ILLEGAL in my country. And not everyone can have a gun, they make background checks and such. Lastly it is illegal to store guns without locking either them in a case or having a trigger lock or chamber lock.

 

It is not that complicated. Video games do not kill people.... Guns do not kill people either, that is true. Having easy access to military grade weapons without any regulation is what's killing people.

 

Connecticut has no restriction on magazine capacity, owner license is not required and there is not an absolute mandatory requirement to register weapons.

 

There should be more regulations and control. Like everywhere else around the world... Australia, Brazil, Canada, Germany, Poland, Sweden, Japan, Mexico... As insane as it may sound of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America's ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's.

 

Do not give me 2nd amendment crap, I am avoiding touching this delicate subject... The constitutions was drafted in 1787, the world has change a lot since. It will be required to change the constitution, or adopt laws that will adapt it to the present. But this is not a constitutial issue, nor it is the point of this post!

 

To end this post in a positive, funny manner, and place a smile on everyone face.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RablPaIREkk

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The NRA also suggested that we place armed security guards into all the schools if they request it. But schools are not the only scenses of this carnage. So I guess we need armed security guards in every mall, every movie theatre. Where does it end?

 

When the constitution was drafted it took a person about 25 seconds to reload his flint lock from the muzzle. I don't think our founders could forsee that a deranged citizen might have access to a weapon that can discharge hundreds of lethal rounds in a matter of minutes.

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The NRA also suggested that we place armed security guards into all the schools if they request it. But schools are not the only scenses of this carnage. So I guess we need armed security guards in every mall, every movie theatre. Where does it end?

 

When the constitution was drafted it took a person about 25 seconds to reload his flint lock from the muzzle. I don't think our founders could forsee that a deranged citizen might have access to a weapon that can discharge hundreds of lethal rounds in a matter of minutes.

 

NRA solution to gun violence is more guns go figure.

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i agree and well said smarty........ i dont intend to insult anyone or disrespect anyone with my following comment,, so please dont take it as insult etc,,, and perhaps some members from the usa could educate me a liitle on the matter,, but was the right to bear arms when the constituation was made,, wasnt it made way back then to enable you to bear arms against invasion from foreign countrys,, and not against each other. as i said this comment isnt to insult anyones way of lfe,, but it is a subject that as a aussie i dont really know a lot about and i dont want to upset anyone,, but i would like a little bit of history/ education on this if anyone would like to educate me a little... thank you. rottie.

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i agree and well said smarty........ i dont intend to insult anyone or disrespect anyone with my following comment,, so please dont take it as insult etc,,, and perhaps some members from the usa could educate me a liitle on the matter,, but was the right to bear arms when the constituation was made,, wasnt it made way back then to enable you to bear arms against invasion from foreign countrys,, and not against each other. as i said this comment isnt to insult anyones way of lfe,, but it is a subject that as a aussie i dont really know a lot about and i dont want to upset anyone,, but i would like a little bit of history/ education on this if anyone would like to educate me a little... thank you. rottie.

 

From a Canadian Professor of American history The Right to Bear Arms. What history tells us.. Bear in mind that several attempts by some states to control firearms have been "shot" down in our judicial system. So they clearly had a different interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

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The 2nd amendment was created to be sure the people were able to defend themselves from the gov't. In which all you brits know we gained our independence by revolting against the crown. The problem isn't with guns people the problem is with the people who use them in a bad way. To say anything inanimate is evil or good is just wrong. For those not from America I understand that you aren't allowed to have semi automatic weapons and in some places no weapons at all. If it works good for your country then more power to you all. But America is our country with our rules that we have had for over 200 years. And truth be told if you ban weapons how many of you actually think the criminals will go and turn theirs in?

 

I don't blame the video games and such. But I do alot of the things that are on tv and such that are desensitizing to people, not only young people, that have certain mental issues. But alas I don't expect you to agree with me on any of this. Just to emphasize that I am sure there are freaks in your country as well. And if a person wants to kill there are a thousands of other things they could use to accomplish their desired task that would kill alot more than any rifle made. And I am afraid to admit thanks to the media there are people out there right now thinking of ways to out do this little freak piece of shit. And could be in your country as well. I sincerely hope not. Dislike American laws as much as you want.

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I did some extensive research for an essay I had to write on this subject. All peer reviewed documents I found could not link violent stimuli to people acting out violence. 99% of western folk, and probably eastern, have been exposed to depicted violence in some way, and we're not all maniacs. Is it glamorized? Sure, but who knows, maybe that glamorization and imagination is keeping people from actually doing it :laugh:

 

It is simply a mental health and rage issue, and the NRA is scapegoating on the entertainment industries.

 

NOW, given this mental health issue is prominent, as shown by the many incidents, what does a society do? You have:

 

1. People who are afraid to carry or use guns.

2. People who think the government will overrun us if we do not have guns.

3. People who think removing guns from everyone will stop bad people from doing bad things.

 

Yes it has worked in other countries, but you have to remember, for the most part, American's are not civilized and lack basic reason and logic. Thousands of years of human education and understanding have been lost to the age of impulse and commercialism (thanks Rockefeller and Dewey). It may be the same in other countries, but I've only witnessed it first hand in my own.

 

I sympathize with all sides of this argument, but given the realities and inability to control this issue in such a large country (by which guns were founded upon), I give you a conundrum.

 

I for one have 5 consecutive expert marksmanship awards, and will have a concealed carry permit when I get back.

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I for one have 5 consecutive expert marksmanship awards, and will have a concealed carry permit when I get back.

 

BF3 ribbons don't count Witek.....

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it is just a sad thing that people who wanna kill themselves unfortunately take out innocent people with them. i know different country have there own laws,..,, and it took an unfortunate incident in tasmania where martin byrant killed a lot of poor innocent people at port arthur before australia took a strong stand and outlawed semi/ full auto matic weapons in our country. yes there was a huge outcry, yes people were suddenly being knifed to death,, and yes the criminal element still had a supply of illegal weapons.i dont pretend to understand how people can do this horrible thing by taking other peoples lives with them,, but there is one thing that i do feel strongly about and unfortunately all the goody two shoes in this country wont change it, is IF YOU KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON,/ AS IN THE THE CASE OF THESE MASSACARE, AND ARE PROVEN FULLY GUILTY.. THEN DEATH SHOULD COME FOR YOU,, AS SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY AS POSSIBLE,, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU HAVE A MENTAL ILLENESSS,, BAD UPRING ETC.. i had a horrible child hood,, was beaten by a alcholic step father,, was put into a childrens home,, when i was a young child. and beleive me it was sheer hell being put there... but do i think of killing or maiming anyone,, other than when im gaming,, no i dont.. i get up every day and try not bring those memories to the day.. but i thank god for my beautiful wife,, kids and dogs.. i just cant get my head around what makes these sickos, get up and take someones life, for any reason or no reason at all.

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The 2nd amendment was created to be sure the people were able to defend themselves from the gov't. In which all you brits know we gained our independence by revolting against the crown. The problem isn't with guns people the problem is with the people who use them in a bad way. To say anything inanimate is evil or good is just wrong. For those not from America I understand that you aren't allowed to have semi automatic weapons and in some places no weapons at all. If it works good for your country then more power to you all. But America is our country with our rules that we have had for over 200 years. And truth be told if you ban weapons how many of you actually think the criminals will go and turn theirs in?

 

I don't blame the video games and such. But I do alot of the things that are on tv and such that are desensitizing to people, not only young people, that have certain mental issues. But alas I don't expect you to agree with me on any of this. Just to emphasize that I am sure there are freaks in your country as well. And if a person wants to kill there are a thousands of other things they could use to accomplish their desired task that would kill alot more than any rifle made. And I am afraid to admit thanks to the media there are people out there right now thinking of ways to out do this little freak piece of shit. And could be in your country as well. I sincerely hope not. Dislike American laws as much as you want.

 

That is a classic response of someone who is a member of the NRA, Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Rubbish. Having a law for 200 years doesn't mean its still relavant in todays society. I suggest you look at these Laws to see just how ridiculous that arguement actually is.

 

My issue is with access to firearms that certain people should not have (as has been since Columbine) i.e. Children - Like the 11 year old who took a loaded handgun to school in the aftermath of the newtown shooting as 'protection', People with a history of mental illness - like the newtown shooter, viginia tech shooter etc, There lies the issue that can be be dealt with or laws changed to prevent this. Gun Cabinets, lock boxes, Ammunition stored separately, chamber locks as mentioned above, types of weopons you are allowed to buy and above all else the quantity of weopons you are allowed to own at one time, all of these things can help prevent, people who should not have access to these weopons & in turn the senseless shootings that are now a regular occurance in US society. Will it work possibly, is it worth giving it a go, Definitely as the alternative is hiding behind an outdated 200 year old law that clearly is not working.

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Yes it has worked in other countries, but you have to remember, for the most part, American's are not civilized and lack basic reason and logic. Thousands of years of human education and understanding have been lost to the age of impulse and commercialism (thanks Rockefeller and Dewey). It may be the same in other countries, but I've only witnessed it first hand in my own.

 

Amen brother.

 

 

The solution is not to take all weapons away from their owner. The Solution is to make sure the owners of guns are screened closly and trained as good as possible. Second it should be illegal to let weapons lay around unprotected. They should be locked away so only the trained owener can get to them in a case of an emergency. Third dealing with weapons especially for the gun manufacturer is way too profitable.

2009 was the last school massacre in Germany. The kid broke into the weapon locker of his parents and stole the weapons. As a result of the shooting hundred of weapon owner surrenderd their legal bought weapons to the police.

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The 2nd amendment was created to be sure the people were able to defend themselves from the gov't.

 

Doesn't the 2nd amendment speak of a trained and controlled militia?

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Assuming that Wikipedia has it correct (because anyone can go edit it), the links are here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms#United_States

 

The reference, as ratified by the states is: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

 

Unfortunately "trained" is not in the wording. "Regulated" is.

 

For the record, I'm on the side of regulation. As mentioned in my post in the Newtown thread, "Gun Control" is a hotly contested issue in the US. Someone says "Gun Control" and then a lot of people with weapons start saying "You can take my gun from my cold, dead fingers".

 

I remember a long thread on the 7th Cavalry forums - where I was a member at the time - right around the time that Obama was elected when the whole "He's gonna take my guns" thing came up. There were comments along the lines of "If the government wants to take my ammo, I'll give it to them - one round at a time". This kind of talk is downright frightening.

 

Gun Control doesn't necessarily have to mean the taking away of weapons. Quite frankly, I don't ever see that happening. However, regulation of firearms would be a great thing. There's all sorts of loopholes at the moment - from my understanding, any whack job can go to a gun show and buy a weapon without any sort of background check or cooling off period. (If I have misunderstood the gun show loophole, please correct me).

 

It certainly wouldn't be easy to implement - it would require honest, law abiding citizens to get training, get licenses (which you probably already need anyway, I don't own, so I don't know) and what not. It should require that all purchases be covered by a background check and possibly a cooling off period (you can't pick up your weapon for 2-3 days).

 

But having regulations in place to make it harder for the mentally unstable or convicted felons to legally buy would be a great thing, in my opinion.

 

Will it stop the criminals ? No. There are laws against drugs, but people still get them.

 

Having firearms regulated makes it that much harder for someone to easily acquire weapons, but it doesn't stop a law abiding citizen from getting one if they follow the rules.

 

I've read a lot of commentary from people in the aftermath of Newtown. Two blog entries that stood out for me:

 

One from George Takei, who seems to be on the side of gun control (or regulation as he prefers to call it): http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/hey-i-want-fly-f-14 (I don't know if he owns or not)

One from a friend of a friend, who by his own admission is a card carrying, gun toting redneck (owing 20 or more firearms) - but believes that regulation on the acquisition of firearms is a good thing: http://glennovative.com/2012/12/19/guns-n-assholes-2/ (I think he makes some excellent points, but some of his language isn't PG-13)

 

Just to throw out a view for the other side, I can see that armed civilians can make a difference from time to time. There was an incident in Salt Lake City, right after the Aurora shootings in July. Some nut case walked into a supermarket and bought a kitchen knife. He paid for it, went out to the front of the store and started slicing at people. He had wounded a couple when a civilian pulled a gun on the guy, told him to stop or he was dead.

 

He controlled the guy until police arrived to arrest the perpetrator.

 

However, these kinds of stories are few and far between.

 

"Gun Control" doesn't have to mean "We're taking them all".

 

Surely, proper regulation in conjunction with time to allow the rules to be worked out and acted upon should help in making it so much harder for Sandy Hooks, Aurora Theaters, Virginia Techs and Columbines to happen.

 

Also as a reminder, please try to keep this thread civil - it's a hot topic - even headed discussion is a good thing. If we degenerate into a hate fest, I'll lock this thread up in a heartbeat.

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Actually I am not a member of the NRA. Far as guns kill people? Well then i guess they should outlaw either cars or alcohol due to the fact that when combined they kill alot of people in any country. Jinx the problem lies with the people who would use any weapon to commit such acts. I honestly do agree with you all about locking and securing firearms. All the firearms I own are secured.

 

Yes Azhrael it does state and armed militia, as well as the right for us to keep and bear arms.

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OK Sister, just for argument's sake ...

 

Cars and Booze together sure do cause a lot of deaths each year. But it's not the same thing.

 

Intent (a drunk driver usually doesn't intend to kill anyone - they are irresponsible idiots) is an issue. The shooters intended to kill. A drunk driver usually doesn't.

 

There's also those people who say "You have to outlaw knives too because they can kill".

 

Any of the perps walking into any of the massacre sites of the last few years with a knife isn't going to cause the carnage that a firearm has caused.

 

A gun is just a tool - an inanimate object - but it's a tool that only has one purpose - and if your one purpose tool has a large capacity clip in it, then in can cause more death with intent in a matter of seconds than any knife or (in most cases) any car can.

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I agree with the drunk driver and car It was just to make a point. As I said earlier I am all for securing any firearm or weapon. The issue isn't with the firearms though it is with the people that do the crime. What makes a person want to take out as many people as he can before taking his own life? Guess I don't think along them lines. All I am saying is the root cause isn't firearms it is the people. and the making of new laws is preposterous. Guess you would have to understand Politics here in the US. Instead of enforcing the existing laws they make new ones, new ones that say the exact same thing in different words.

 

Far as the laws go now Adam Lanza attempted to purchase weapons and was refused the purchase. The law worked. In which case he stole his mothers weapons and did the crime. I know it is hard to understand the country I live in just as I dont' understand the country you all live in. Nor will I try to convince you all to see my way of thinking. All I know is I am here in this Cartoon Generals clan to have fun with you all, and hopefully to be a fun person to hang with as well. Each of us has a different opinion on what and how things are done but the bottom line is we are a clan of respecting each others play styles and lifestyles and for that I stated my opinions on this issue cause it is a hot topic to be sure.

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All this is made worse by our media today. Here is an example of what sister and myself have said about it. It does not deal with guns. just check this crap out.

 

 

3 arrested in fatal Indy explosion

 

Neighbors angry, relieved by arrests

 

Women: Mark Leonard owes us money

 

Man arrested in explosion's background

 

4 out of 5 articles of news on indychannel.com. deal with this one happening. They overdo everything that is bad. Its shit. imo.

 

So those who want to join the little media bus go ahead and those that want to stick with what is real. plz continue.

 

Like sister said.. Guns arent the killers its the person that wants to be known since he/she did something terrible.

 

 

Enough of this crap about making the magazines smaller and such. that won't help you all should know that nonsense. And for those that DON'T LIVE HERE..I would hate to see your house broken into or someone carjack you without a way to stop it. We on the other hand..(folks that are law abiding citizens. can and usually do protect outselves and our property. That is the beauty of this country. we can defend ourselves and with the economy as bad as it is. I expect this kind of crap from idiots. and so should you. GET OFF THE GUN CONTROL BANDWAGON.

 

 

The NRA was covering thier own ass and pushing blame on others like every other grp does...Nothing out of the ordinary. but putting a security guard in each school that is armed or allow some teachers carry a weapon is fine with me.

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Sister:

 

Hey, I live here in the US too - but, I'll agree that being brought up in Australia, I probably have a different set of preconceptions about the whole thing.

 

Hopefully, we can still have a good discussion about the topic as a side bar to playing games. Seeing how other people feel about this issue is actually quite informative.

 

(I've had very long discussions with friends who hold differing opinions to me on politics and religion too. As long as the participants keep their passions under control much can be learned).

 

 

Greyman:

 

You really need to respect others opinions. Just because someone has a different opinion to you, doesn't make them wrong - it just makes it different. What makes your opinion "right" ("GET OFF THE GUN CONTROL BANDWAGON"), and someone else's opinion "wrong" ? It's the exact same thing as politics (what makes a "conservative" more right than a "liberal" or vice versa) and religion (why is a "Christian" right and a "Muslim" wrong - or the other way around.

 

There is no absolute right or wrong here.

 

There's one man's opinion and then there's another man's opinion. Each is equally as correct when taken from the position of he who holds it.

 

And, for all three areas of discussion there's usually very little that person A can say to change the way person B feels about it.

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My favorite quote is:

 

If guns kill people than spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

 

The simple fact is that it is the person behind the gun, knife, car while drunk or whatever weapon of choice that could take the life of the innocent. In most cases involving violent crimes where innocent civilians are lost it almost always involves a serious mental health issue. These carnages are usually the result of someone who feels tortured either through neglect, physical or mental and at the same time have issues with a mental defect which can prevent them from having rational thoughts or simply a conscious at the time of the violence. These individuals may have felt that the world they lived in needed to pay for their own pain and struck out without regards to common sense. Common sense and a rational thought may be something these people may have lost with their own tortured minds.

 

I have cried many times thinking of these innocent angels we lost last week and of the torture their families and friends are going through. No explanation could ever justify the actions that took place that morning. The shooter's own reason would never satisfy the ones immediately affected by this tragedy but it would probably help the mental health departments to better understand what is going through a deranged mind and possibly what led up to this individual to turn to such violence.

 

Gun control is understandable but simply to feel that by removing them from law abiding citizens who wish to have the option to protect themselves is against my beliefs. I for one wish to be able to defend myself and my family against anyone wishing to cause harm to us. If someone breaks into my home and I have to hope and pray that the police get there in time to stop a violent or deadly crime from happening I would have better luck at surviving an onslaught of nube tube shots from Cappy.

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